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Field of Dreams

The St. Pete Times has posted a gallery of images that I presume are provided by the Rays, and man are they nice.

Additional info can also be found here and here

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Re: Field of Dreams
Incredible. Beautiful. Get it done Sternberg!

by floridaroar on Nov 28, 2007 2:34 PM EST   0 recs

Re: Field of Dreams
A nice waterfront park like AT&T, maybe some berm seats in the outfield would have been nice like Petco. The park is a nice touch including an amphitheater. A nice website at majorleaguedowntown.com.  

by llraysfan on Nov 28, 2007 2:59 PM EST   0 recs

Re: Field of Dreams
Wow.  Looks awesome.  I like that they even went as far as to show what the Trop would look like as well.

Get it done Sternberg!

www.bullsindex.com

by SeanDubbs on Nov 28, 2007 3:03 PM EST   0 recs

Re: Field of Dreams
Looks really nice, I like it.

In case the video on their majorleaguedowntown.com site isn't working for you (it didn't in my browser)... here's a direct link: direct video link

(Also, thanks to all you folks that keep this site humming. I'm not a big poster but I do read your work quite often and enjoy your insights and analysis.)

by Andrew on Nov 28, 2007 3:48 PM EST   0 recs

Thanks, Andrew
We're glad that you enjoy our work.

by Patrick L. Kennedy on Nov 28, 2007 4:29 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Field of Dreams
Would be awesome. Lets get it done.
http://tampabaysportsfanatic.blogspot.com/ http://www.thestatpack.blogspot.com/

by tampabaysportsfanatic on Nov 28, 2007 4:04 PM EST   0 recs

Re: Field of Dreams
Why don't they show the people sweating their a##es off?!!! The idea of an open air stadium in Tampa is absolutely asinine! They're better off staying at the Trop till the lease runs out...talk about settling....no A/C when it's 93 degrees and incredibly humid with lightning and rain...no space for a retractable roof...no onsite parking...only seats 35K...still too far away for many people..this is an improvement...people will believe anything as long as it looks pretty...LOL!!
tampadenis

by tampadenis on Nov 28, 2007 6:48 PM EST   0 recs

Walking = bad?
And the heat is overrated. People go to Bucs games and it's just as hot.

by R.J. Anderson on Nov 28, 2007 7:00 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Walking = bad?
I would expect a more intelligent reply than that from you. The Bucs play at a different time of year than the Rays and are only playing here once a week or once every two weeks, not every day in the heat of the summer.
tampadenis

by tampadenis on Dec 1, 2007 9:34 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

During training camp
The stands are full, that's July / August every day for a good two weeks.

by R.J. Anderson on Dec 1, 2007 1:01 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Field of Dreams
I drive to Ray Jay every saturday the bulls  play there so get over it. Sorry you have to drive over a bridge for one sport...Speaking of Ray Jay i think that is open air as well...plus I listend to Sternberg on 620 today and he is very adamant that this "tent" will make it alot cooler.

by Elgrandeplatano on Nov 28, 2007 7:28 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

It will
And it launches in about eight minutes as apposed to 1-1 1/1 hours for a dome.

by R.J. Anderson on Nov 28, 2007 7:41 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Field of Dreams
Personally, I'd much rather sit out in the sun and see a great baseball game while taking in views of the Bay. What exactly is the attraction to watching baseball in a warehouse just because it's air conditioned?

Too hot? Give me a break. There's a wonderful breeze down there and the new stadium is clearly designed to take advantage of it. They played baseball outdoors for thousands of years before air conditioning was invented, we'll survive. :)

If you really think it's too hot to sit outside near the water on a hot summer day do me a favor and go to DisneyWorld in the summer. Orlando is hotter than the fires of hell and people flock there without hesitation.

by floridaroar on Nov 28, 2007 8:12 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Field of Dreams
Amen man...

Ray Jay gets hotter than hell as well, atleast this is on the water. This is going to be awsome and I for one will make sure I vote when this goes to the poles.

by Elgrandeplatano on Nov 28, 2007 10:45 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Field of Dreams
Also, like it isn't hot everywhere else in the country in the summer. You ever sit in Wrigley on hot summer day? It's hot, it's great, it's baseball! Buy a cold beer for cripes sake, quit whining!

Baseball is meant to be played outdoors on fresh cut grass, not in a warehouse on carpet.

by floridaroar on Nov 29, 2007 12:25 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Field of Dreams
I think most rational people hesitate to go to Disney in the heat of the summer. I only go in the cooler season. A lot of people may be there early in the morning and then leave to do water-related activities until the evening. Many of them are on their first summertime trip to Disney..and will think twice before going back again in the summer. Besides, many of the attractions and all of the shops and restaurants are air-conditioned, so the comparison is faulty.
tampadenis

by tampadenis on Dec 1, 2007 9:39 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Field of Dreams
Most Rays' games are in the evening. And I am certain the Rays recognize the problem of heat and humidity and between fans and mist and the tent will moderate their effects enough to make attendance pleasurable.

by bobr on Dec 1, 2007 10:52 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Field of Dreams
I like this stadium. People need to stop complaining about the location, people will drive to go to games. I drive to almost every game and I live in Sarasota so it is about a 30-45 min drive depending on how much of a speed demon I feel that day. I also go to every Bucs game since I have tickets for both the Bucs and Rays. Bucs is even longer of a drive but I don't care and neither will people who really want to go to the games.

by Flabull on Nov 29, 2007 2:24 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Field of Dreams
It looks a lot like the Expos retractable roof system.

Just don't stand next to the lightning rod mast!

I like that they designed something that has a few similarities to various other venues, but as a whole is unique.

 

by RATW on Nov 28, 2007 10:44 PM EST   0 recs

Re: Field of Dreams
Except this one will hopefully work.

by Tyler on Nov 28, 2007 10:55 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Field of Dreams
That's what I thought at first too, this looks like what Olympic Stadium was supposed to be. Should definitely be a fun one to hang out at if and when it is finished.

And as for the weather concerns...won't they still play games at night 5 of 7 days of the week in this new ballpark anyways?

by das411 on Nov 29, 2007 1:19 AM EST   0 recs

Re: Field of Dreams
Yeah, they'll only play day games on Sundays and Get-Away days.
www.bullsindex.com

by SeanDubbs on Nov 29, 2007 1:33 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Field of Dreams
Beautiful.  You have to think big to make big changes, and I am really impressed with their vision.  Combined with the Garza acquisition, the New Ownership is really impressing me this off season.

by RayFanNY on Nov 29, 2007 5:41 AM EST   0 recs

Re: Field of Dreams
I like it.  It's not retro.  It's got flair.

I dub thee "neo-modern".

by Orlando Rays on Nov 29, 2007 7:12 AM EST   0 recs

We can call it....
The Bio-Dome and have Pauly Shore and Stephen Baldwin there for the ground breaking.
www.lbacentral.com

by SeanDubbs on Nov 29, 2007 11:04 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

the heat----
I swear the next person that complains about the heat and actually having to walk to the park is getting a judo-chop to the face...

Tell me intelligent fan, when in the Bronx in the summertime, is it not scorching ass hot? Or Arlington?  Or Atlanta???  Like the dude above me said, what about Chicago??? IT's HOT in the SUMMERTIME EVERYWHERE!!!!
Also, in regards to parking, there is next to no parking at Wrigley, or at Yankee stadium-  You know that St. Pete will have a trolly to get you to the game and back to your car with little effort.  I can understand if you are medically unable to walk (bad legs, emphazima, etc.) for those of you who are just fat and lazy, it will do you some good to walk your big a** to the ballpark...

by nittsallgood on Nov 29, 2007 2:34 PM EST   0 recs

Re: the heat----
I suggest you do the following: go to weatherchannel.com. Punch in Chicago or New York and Tampa. When the weather page opens up, click on "averages." This tells you the usual highs and lows for each month. You will see there is no comparison between those cities and Tampa. You don't have to believe me. When you experience it for yourself at this new stadium (which probably will never be built anyway) then get back to me with how enjoyable it is to sit in 80 degrees and humid after sweating your butt off on the way over from your car. Why do you think every school, office, grocery store, restaurant, movie theater, etc. is air-conditioned down here? Nobody wants to be uncomfortable, especially when they are shelling out their money at the same time. How are the Marlins doing with their attendance in their open-air stadium? Why are they trying to get a retractable roof, I wonder? Why does Houston have a retractable roof? Because it makes sense! Once the newness of any new stadium wears off, attendance will plummet, especially if the ownership continues its stingy ways. Nobody said they wouldn't be willing to walk to the stadium, but as many people have pointed out, no one but the Rays seems to know exactly where this plentiful parking actually is. We will all have to hike. This plan has a ton of holes in it...anything can be made to look "pretty" in a presentation, but reality is a different story altogether.
tampadenis

by tampadenis on Dec 1, 2007 10:00 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Tell me
If every school, office, grocery store, restaurant, and movie theatre is air-conditioned down here, exactly which of those are not air-conditioned up north?

Texas does fine with attendance in the hottest stadium in the country, and the daily average temperature for this area in July is only 2 degrees lower than that of Atlanta, which also has an open-air stadium. The daily temperature for Chicago is about 10 degrees cooler, but the stadiums in Chicago have no covering at all on their stadium. The Rays have a tent to cover their stadium, which should reduce temperatures.

The Marlins don't draw not because of the fact that their stadium is outdoors, but because they have a crappy team more often than not that gets stripped of every key piece once every six years. They also play in a football stadium.

As for the parking, again I have concerns about that too. But they seem very confident that they have sufficient parking for this stadium based on the research they've done. The team has no reason to want to fail on this project, considering that it requires an immediate $150 million investment from their own pockets to even initiate. Further, their revenues for 30 years or more going forward are tied to the success of this stadium, so there is no reason for them to be ignorant of the problems.

by Patrick L. Kennedy on Dec 1, 2007 5:05 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Tell me
The Rangers made a mistake not building a dome...and every season their players sag more than they need to in August and September. Houston was smart to build theirs. When you cite examples of hot places that don't have domes, that's not an argument that concludes that we shouldn't either...those are examples of places that would be better off if they had some sort of A/C...those fans may also be unnecessarily uncomfortable...and we are significantly more south than Atlanta or Dallas. You can bet a significant number of people stay away from the Marlins stadium because it's uncomfortable to be there..I went to a playoff game there in 2003..and it was really hot..
tampadenis

by tampadenis on Dec 1, 2007 11:04 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

A no Brainer under the following conditions:
I am a 2 year resident of St. Pete.  I come from Cleveland, and I love baseball.

To understand this deal, we need perspective.  I offer my background as an example.

My first game was when I was 13 years old, and my dad took me to see the Indians at Cleveland Municipal Stadium.  That place was huge, 80,000 seats for baseball.  My dad didn't want to go because he said the indians were losers and had been his whole life.  This was 1985.

There was only 1 guy in the entire centerfield stands, and he was banging a drum the whole game.  The Indians played hard, but were down 4-2 in the 8th inning.  I got to move down and sit right beside their dugout, and when Joe Carter hit a home run that won I got a high five from a couple of players.  I became a lifelong fan.  Although I didn't get to go to another game until 1993.

In 1989, I heard that the Tribe was moving to St. Pete because of the stadium.  I was heartbroken, but anyone could plainly see why the Indians were going to move.  But everyone came together and decided to build Jacob's Field.

In 1993 my girlfriend got box seats to several Indians game including the final weekend.  ( I married her for that)  The Tribe was getting interesting, but the stadium was a complete joke.  I never realized it until my wife surprised me with tickets to see the Tribe play a sold out game against the Yankees in 94.  Then I realized how baseball was to be played.  Jacob's field was beautiful, and to top it off, free agents suddenly wanted to come to Cleveland.  Eddie Murray, Dennis Martinez and Orel Hershiser rewarded me with a world series visit in 1995 and the rest was history.

Jacob's field became a catalyst that drove development all over the lower downtown neighborhood in Cleveland.  Restaurants,  and other amenities just sprang up in what was once a really bad neighborhood.  The indians had 455 straight sellouts, and they used that money to win 7 straight division titles, 8 playoff appearances, 2 ALCS appearances and 2 world Series appearances.  In fact, they are still using this revenue, as the recent playoff run indicated.

Why is all this important?  Because the Tampa Bay Rays are much like those indians I fell in love with so long ago.  They have promise, and a habit of making life hard on the Yankees.  They also have a bandbox stadium that sits out there unconnected with anything like it was some weird spaceship that just landed.

I believe that the Rays will be competitive.  But in order for that to happen, we need to get this done.  This will put the Rays on the map as a serious baseball team, and a legitimate destination for players.

In addition, St. Pete needs to get this done.  Putting 20-30 thousand fans in downtown st. petersburg will present a lot of questions:

Where will they all eat?
Where will they all park?

The answers to those questions my friends will mean lots of money to the city.  Downtown will be hopping and it will integrate the baseball game and the community and will drive businesses that will provide those services.   And for those of us, who don't want to pay for parking, we can always take the bus.

On the other end, the parking lots at the Trop represent an uncapitalized asset.  They are not generating any revenue for the team or the city.  And they isolate the dome in ways which exclude it from the surrounding neighborhood.  Adding that space to the tax roles, while utilizng space that is already in the public domain at Al Lang seems like a win win to me.

In short, the idea that there is no public benefit in all of this is stupid.

As for those who are worried about the heat,  i will say this:  Get over it.  It is hot in Florida, but it is also hot everywhere else too.

As for those who want the new stadium in Tampa, i say this:  Get over yourselves.  I have been to Tampa.  I have driven there.  It is not that nice.

All that said, there are somethings I suggest changing:

The formula should be this:

150 Million Team contribution as agreed
200 Million from Sale and redevelopment of Trop site.  Redirect future tax revenue from trop site to retire trop debt.  Cap this revenue contribution at 200 million total.
50 Million from ticket surcharge :  1 dollar for every ticket times 20,000 tickets = 20,000 * 81 games times 20 years = 48 million dollars
50 Million from surcharge on food and merchandise sold at game over next 20 years.
Rays agree to be responsible for every dollar of cost overruns.

Total = 450 Million

The beauty is that the Rays will take the risks here.  20,000 tix means that they had better do their jobs delivering the promise of a competitive team.

Also the City should sign the Rays to an ironclad Lease extension which requires a minimum of 81 games to be played within the City of St. Pete until 2057.  After 2027, when all debts for the stadium are paid off, when the City and the Rays should ensure that adequate maintenance and improvements are made to keep the stadium viable for the next 50 years.

So what do you say Rays?  Deal?

by StarScream on Nov 30, 2007 11:07 AM EST   0 recs

Re: Field of Dreams
I am from akron and my first game was in 1984 at Municipal.  Wow that place was big.  I also went to the last three games there in '93.  I have to agree with your point of what a new stadium meant to that team.  Downtown Cleveland underwent a resurgence when the "Jake" was built.  If you remember, they changed the uniforms around that time as well.  The similarities are striking.  

That was a team that built from within, not from free agency.  Also, the free agents they did get were older players at a reasonable price (Martinez, Hershiser, Murray).  Hopefully Percival will payoff.  Maybe a world series in a couple of years is not out of the question.  Unlike the Tribe, I'd actually like to win it though.  

by stpetelawyer on Nov 30, 2007 3:43 PM EST   0 recs

Re: Field of Dreams
I wonder how the environmental concerns, the front page story in the paper today, will affect the discussion. Apparently neither the Rays or builders have contacted Federal or State regulators yet, and the article says such permission often takes very long to acquire if they are gotten at all.

Doesn't there have to be an environmental study if any landfill is to be used in the bay? I am sure that will raise some very legitimate concerns about the ecology in the area and hope the Rays are sensitive to those concerns.

by bobr on Dec 1, 2007 8:19 AM EST   0 recs

Oh the environmental regulators are a joke
Nearly very developer gets a blank check from the state to fill in wetlands that represent a far larger space than this stadium plot. I don't think it is wise for the team to have not broached the subject yet, but I don't think it will be a serious hurdle in their plan.

by Patrick L. Kennedy on Dec 1, 2007 5:09 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Field of Dreams
Everybody...go to mlb.com for a moment...click on the Rays team site...then click on fan forum...then message boards....read the thread called something like "Top 10 Reasons To Build the New Stadium" and read it...still think I'm the only one who would hesitate to attend a Rays game in an open-air stadium?...
tampadenis

by tampadenis on Dec 1, 2007 4:29 PM EST   0 recs

No, you're certainly not
But you and your cohorts don't represent anything close to a sizeable chunk of people. The reality is quite different from the DevilRays.com board rooted in cynicism.

by Patrick L. Kennedy on Dec 1, 2007 5:07 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: No, you're certainly not
It's interesting from my point of view.. back during the previous front office, the posters at the team site as well as a large number of fans seemed to give a free pass to everything the front office did and anyone who disagreed was ostracized.  The new guys come in and now people are critical to the point of cynicism.

by RATW on Dec 1, 2007 5:59 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: No, you're certainly not
Plus stated intentions like these and hot-air threats are generally meaningless. Once it is up and a destination to be, people will come, other things like winning being part of the reality. Most of the criticisms of the stadium itself-heat, traffic, parking-are relatively insignificant.

Incidentally, among the proposals is one for shuttles from parking lots around the area which not only addresses the parking but probably helps lessen traffic as well.

by bobr on Dec 1, 2007 9:32 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: No, you're certainly not
Are you now going to say that you haven't seen all the references in the newspapers of the fans and politicians concerned about the heat and humidity...anyone who won't or can't admit this should be a major concern is just not willing to address reality here...don't get swept up in the hype in early December...and BTW it's still 80 degrees here every day two full months after the season has ended..
tampadenis

by tampadenis on Dec 1, 2007 11:08 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

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